I just had to check if anyone else was wondering this. Could Princess Bubblegum and Simon Petrikov's (the Ice King) fiance Betty be the same person? The original first name for PB was going to be Bettie. I know they changed it and I know it's a different spelling, but still it got me thinking. Betty and PB look fairly similar. If you made Betty pink, got rid of her glasses, and made her hair longer it would be an even closer resemblance. Betty's hair ends in the same little waves as PB's hair. I know that PB is supposed to be 18, but it's already been shown that her age is dependent on the amount of candy biomass she has and not the passage of time. Additionally, the Ice King got his powers and current appearance from the magical crown that he bought. What if a similar thing happened to PB? Her crown has been shown to be magical as well. The gem in both the Ice King's crown and PB's crown protected them from the Lich's mind controling effect, showing that the two magical artifacts might be related. It has also been shown that PB is not like the other candy people since she doesn't explode when scared. She created the Earl of Lemongarb, meaning that it is possible she created the other candy people as well. PB is a scientist, and Betty was shown to be a scientist of some sort. Betty is wearing a lab coat in one of the pictures that the Ice King had of her during his transformation. Lastly, this would explain the Ice King's obsession with capturing her the most over the other princesses and marrying her, since subconsciously he believes her to be his lost fiance. Maybe I'm imagining it, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Does anyone know if PB's original name Bettie was written or was it said verbally, meaning that the spelling might have been intended to be Betty but whoever wrote it down first changed it? Anyway, what do you all think? 19:11, February 27, 2012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~
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- No, I do not believe they are the same person.
- They look nothing alike and the creators said Bubblegum was created. Now this statement will only be true if the AT crew was not joking about it. -- Bunai82 (talk) 13:40, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I guess that could be possible. There isn't much proof, but there is some. But, what could have happened that made PB all pink and junk? Also, (almost) all the princessses wear those types of crowns. Betty looks more like doctor princess.220.127.116.11 19:52, March 2, 2012 (UTC)Thejiggler555
- Bunai82, that's false, the creators never said that. 18.104.22.168 06:11, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Besides, it is more likely that Betty and Doctor Princess are the same person. 12:10, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry for the mistake, the various AT crew postings can contradict one another at times: ,, . That and it was CN that created the story about PB.-- Bunai82 (talk) 18:14, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
i heard drom someone else that it could've been possible that when she left simon she survived the mushroom war but was 1/2 month or 1 month pregnant even though she doesn't look like it they say that she and simon didn't know she was pregnant and when she left she was caught in a explosion that caused her to mutate into doctor princess and princess bubblegum was born from it as well
To the guy above me, simple mutation wouldn't explain why neither Dr. Princess nor PB remembers the Ice King/Simon. It would've have to have been a magic-induced amnesia much like the Ice King. And the theory that Betty had a child who just happened to mutate into PB seems... out there. No evidence whatsoever.
On topic to Betty = PB, I've definitely been thinking the same thing for a while. I have yet to see any definitive proof that PB ISN'T Betty, and I'd love to hear it if anyone has any. And since the time of your post, there's been more evidence to support this theory. "Princess Cookie" shows PB not aging one bit from Baby-Snaps's flashback to when he was a kid to the present time, adding to the evidence from "Too Young". Ice King's and PB's crown has been shown to definitely be related AND having existed before the mushroom war, since the Enchiridion's been around before the mushroom war and only functions when the jewels from the crowns are inserted as seen in "The Lich".
When PB creates Goliad, she states that she's not going to be around forever, and she would if she could, but that technology hasn't caught up. However, she then states that Goliad, who she just created, is immortal - wut? I'm guessing that she meant technology hasn't caught up to make her invincible; she (and Goliad) are "immortal" in the sense that she can't die from age, but she's certainly vulnerable to being killed. Otherwise, she just created a being that's literally immortal from any death after clearly stating that it's impossible with current technology.
Now, on to the speculation (i.e. wild ideas with no evidence) - The candy kingdom is seen to be the largest out of all the kingdoms, extending even out to Finn and Jakes house (in that episode I no longer remember, she collects tax from Finn and Jake). Since buildings can't mutate (lol), the candy kingdom must've been created after the mushroom war. Who better to build such a large and beautiful kingdom than PB, who according to this theory had a thousand years to make it? Nonukez (talk) 23:46, November 1, 2012 (UTC)Well if you would look at this picture from Marceline's gallery, it looks like if the creators are sticking with it, Princess Bubblegum is Bettie Idk16 (talk) 00:41, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
Now theres futher evidence that PB is betty, in the episode the vault, to important facts are shown, 1, that the wads of gum seen after the mushroom war are sentient, proven by the fact that Finn was one in his past life.2 That the candy kingdom was personaly built by princess bubblegum relitvely close to the time of the mushroom war, with a still radioactive river of mutagin running through the center of the kingdom.3 The wad of gum that helped Simon and gave him the chicken soup for marcy, that could be Betty mutated by the atomic bombs and turned into gum, if it was Betty it would expained why the gum helped out and seemed so happy, seeing the careing simon she once knew was still there.4 The fact that it's entirely possible that PB does remember simon. it's likely PB does remembers simon but gave up on helping him because he was beyond that point already, and she has detached her emotions so she doesn't feel the pain of seeing the ice king but never being able to have simon back, probably literaly removeing or sealing away the parts of her that held her emotions for him, also preventing her from truely loving anyone at a romantic level, leaving her cold towards her suiters. This would also explain her creating the candy people, making them the children she never had the chance to have with simon. Darrell.davidson.319 (talk) 10:51, January 27, 2014 (UTC)january 2014
No sorry :(
There are childhood photos of Bonnie in the castle. She might remind him of Betty though.
I know whyA very obvious reason as to why neither Dr. Princess nor Bonni "remembers" Ice King/Simon, is because Simon is now blue and has a huge white beard, when Betty knew Simon he did not look at all like the Ice King, what would make you think that if Betty were still alive that she would recognize him? 17:56, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. 20:38, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
Ice King is attracted to her because she has all those similarities. However It is possible she converted herself to a candy person or was mutated into one. I beleive she created the candy people as in "The Lich (episode)" she was seen performing gene splicing and manupilating. I also believe she doesn't age periodically but grows candy mass over a long time which when enough changes her age and what she meant by immortality was invicibility. Also she called lemongrab one of her early creations. Betty was also semi portrayed or said to be European and PB has been known to speak German.Azikiwe17 (talk) 22:15, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
Dr. Princess/ PB/ Betty
The creators already stated that Dr. Princess is not Betty. So let's just stop bringing it up. I do think that PB is Betty. All the princesses have a magic gem so maybe they all mutated like Ice King. But either way I think she's Betty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs)
- Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Also where did they say that? Was it on Formspring? Muto said that the Formspring responses are not canon. 15:48, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
- That isn't very nice to call Rebecca a horse. 18:20, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
I actually think that this theory is right; we only need a couple of hints to get it straight. If you see the picture were Betty and Simon are holding hands you can see that the end of Betty's hair is the same on PB's hair (just that PB has it longer), if you remove the glasses and change her hair color, she would look really similar to PB. Also if you check PB and Betty wear a lab coat in different occasions, this coat is completely different than the Dr. Princess uses. Betty might be a scientist not a doctor, I can assume this due to the pictures she has with Simon, if she were a doctor she wouldn't be in Simon's expeditions pictures, that means that she might be some sort of archeologist too or other kind of scientist (as PB). That makes me think than when she saw Simon turning crazy, she disappeared to find the other crowns that might be mentioned on the Enchiridion, (let's remember that it is activated with the gems on the crowns) to help Simon, and she find the "Candy Crown" (this is my idea is nothing that was mentioned in the show) and the same that happened to Simon happened to her, she became what the crown wanted, and forgot about her past, we know that her age is related to her candy biomass, so she can be 1000 years old without any sign of aging, and let's remember that she does not let anyone take the crown, if it were a normal crown I don't see the point of defending it that bad. Also as we can see on the show, she is like the one in charge of all OOO, she even ruled the Fire King (which is a bad guy), she knows about the powers of the gems, she had The Linch trapped, she knew about the power of the Enchiridion, she knows most of the places in OOO, and we also know that she is related to Marceline in some sort of way, and as Simon, she might found her in the past. That suggest that she is older than any other in OOO (at least the new people), we can also assume that the same happened with all the other princesses that would explain why there are such a weird princesses all across OOO as in other dimensions and universes. And also that would explain why the Ice King is so obsess with her more than with the other princesses. Well that is my idea, if someone has more proves about this please share them.
No, I think that Betty died or something. Bubblegum had turned 13 in one of the episodes. If she was bubblegum, she would turn into a 13 year old version of Betty. Sorry if my opinion offended you Pendleton Ward xxxx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs)
- Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). What makes you think that wasn't a 13 year old Betty? 20:13, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
A New Theory
Maybe it's possible that the all the princesses of Ooo are the split conciousness of betty (door), and PB and Dr. Princess are like the lock and key. All the crown jewels are shown to be linked together with the enchiridion.
- Pickle 188.8.131.52 05:55, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
My theory is pretty logical. After Simon put on the crown, he did something that horrified Betty. Betty may have then realized, being a scientist, if there was one crazy artifact then maybe there are more. That makes me think PB is Betty, because of the crown. The other princesses I can't explain, but I stand by my reasons. -sevectro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs)
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I don't really know how to use a wiki, this is one of my first times. But I wanted to note that the pink parasite/pen thing that Princess Bubblegum carries in her lab coat in multiple episodes is the same one (or one of the same type) that Simon/Ice King has in his jacket pocket when he bends down to wipe away Marcelline's tear in the flashback. 220.127.116.11 18:56, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
- See Scientific Parasite. 17:36, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
In the most recent episode - Simon and Marcy - There's an odd pink gum-like substance around where Simon and Marceline are, throughout the episode the gum is placed conveniently for Marcy and Simons use (ladder for them to climb up to the bridge, and to trip up the baddies). At the end of the episode Marceline is in need of chicken soup which the pink gum gives Simon along with a swiss army knife. The gum also appears to be smiling when it gives him the items. As this gum is pink, it has a rather kind nature and just like simon is going through his process if change, bettys changing into princess bubblegum. This is just a theory, so I may be wrong...but you never know —Preceding unsigned comment added by PrincessP-Bubs (talk • contribs)
- Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). --I'd like your feedback as to whether I was brilliant or simply outstanding. 09:12, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
- You were correct albeit stating the blatantly obvious right up until you suddenly jumped inexplicably to the conclusion that the developing Bubblegum was somehow Bettie, without ever explaining how that is meant to make any sense whatsoever. Not content with the staff having ruled out this connection, you might want to provide any evidence for it at all - besides insisting that they look very alike when they clearly look nothing alike.
- I really love how someone said earlier "No one has provided any evidence that they aren't the same person." No one has provided any evidence that Marceline isn't Choose Goose. Does that make it a credible theory? Not in the slightest. You need to learn how science and philosophy work. You don't just get to say that something exists and then ask for disproof, then bask in the glory of being proved right when no one has any disproof readily prepared (although, in this case, we do). Bertrand Russel said there was a godly teapot between the Earth and the moon, which deliberately makes itself invisible and undetectable by human senses and instruments. You can't prove him wrong; can you? So start worshipping the teapot. Now do you see how illogical that sort of thing is? You have to prove that things do exist, certainly not the other way around. 18.104.22.168 04:14, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
- Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). 13:47, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
- claps* You showed 'em Anon.
- What makes you so sure the blob isn't PB? What makes you so sure the blob isn't a horribly mutated Betty? 14:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
Simon and Marcy
Now after seeing Simon and Marcy, for some reason people are using it to further their "pb is Betty" theories. I don't understand how you people still think that even after Pendleton officially said pb is NOT Betty. This is almost as ridiculous as the Betty is the ice queen theories. The pink blob obviously had something to do with bubble gum. Can't that be it? I don't get you people.. An actually theory could be something like "the pink blob might have something to do with how Marcy is resentful towards bubble gum". Not "okay guys Betty is bubble gum no evidence they just look alike". Jesus.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs)
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I think that Betty might have been wounded and the pink blob must havemerged with her tosave her and she was pregos and had a child and started PB's family linr
Agreeing with You
I think that the Betty is Bubblegum theory makes complete sense. The bubblegum in Simon and Marcy could have been a mutated Betty. The bubblegum obviously wanted to help Simon, which Betty would have wanted to do, especially if the "related crowns' theory is correct, and I have to admit, that makes alot of sense, too.
126.96.36.199 01:44, April 30, 2013 (UTC) Dream Dancer Princess
I agree with this theory as it is the most logical theory I have seen so far (PB is actually marcelines sister? What the hell guys!) btw, all the stuff I'm saying is speculation... Pb has a natural aversion to the ice king. She is the only person Ive seen that has never warmed up to him even when he's not acting crazy and actually is nice. Betty was scared by Simon and left him. Maybe Betty has magic induced amnesia like Simon, but is still averted to him even after her memories are gone like how ice king keeps following marceline. Also both are scientists and look similar with lab coats n stuff. Same hair. Similar skin tone. And about the same height. ( you might think this not to be true since when standing next to the ice king, PB looks taller but remember, under his cloak the ice king's stomach muscles look extremely weak and he has a very hunched back now)
Pb made him a new heart, goes to parties hes at, saved his life, and invited him to her potluck. I'd say she's warmed up to him. This has already been said but since no one can read, THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW has already said betty and bubblegum ARE NOT the same person. PB also has elders so she isnt the first of her kind.188.8.131.52 21:01, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
I can read, however the only thing on this page that seems similar to the above claim is that the creators of the show have specifically said Dr. Princess isn't Betty, not that Princess Bubblegum isn't Betty. (And then an IP commenter apparently making a mistake that that quote was about PB). No source or quote has been provided that I saw which stated the creator of the show has made such a definitive statement. There also isn't anything in the show to suggest that PB has elders necessarily, as seen in the episode with Finn's past life, PB is much older than previously believed, and may in fact have even been the mutated pink goop from the flashback to the Simon and Marceline after the mushroon war.Dean36 (talk) 13:02, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
yes, yes, yes!
i belive they are the same person. made fanart of it too! and i love to ship ice king and pb. maybe they are the same person beacause of all that stuff.
Betty and PB can be the same since it's possible Betty found a way to survive up to the mushroom war and when bomb hit she got transformed like everyone else on earth. Not only that but PB's crown could be magic like ice king's or science like she would say it and it enhanced her brain. There's also a possiblity that her great uncle Gumbald is a creation of hers but has more biomass than her making him older in some way and she calls him her great uncle because of that. There is also the possibility Betty died before the mushroom war then when the bomb hit it transformed her into living bubblegum as shown with the the bubblegum that was developing in the episode Simon and Marcy.Drakesplash (talk) 01:05, July 10, 2013 (UTC)Drakesplash
Wait think for a while the ice king's fiancé is Betty and that starts with B and he also used to call her his princess and that starts with P and when you put them together it makes PB, and mabye the fact that the Simon mutating to the ice king was unbearable and so she looked for an artifact that could change her to to make her live forever with him. The fact that after Simon had mutated he forgot everything and she could have went through the same affect but keep some of their memories like when neptr was made he said in his imagination zone that he needed someone to fill him like his princess and that probably why his main target is princess bubblegum and that he misses her. Yeah this is my first edit yeah. By : Rever42 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rever42 (talk • contribs)
- Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). TheMostBoringManInTheWorld 12:52, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
What i think...
I think if PB and Betty aren't the same, they are very closely related. The closest thing I have is that in the Secret Tapes episode where you see the picture of Simon and Betty. Betty and PB do look similar which could mean they're related. They could be the same since we've seen how much Simon changed appearance when he became the Ice king. It's possible that the pink goo in Simon and Marcy was actually Betty and that eventually created PB while those monsters were possible predeccessors to the Candy Citizens. The zombie candies from a couple episodes and those monsters look very similar in many regards and have that green ooze coming from them.
As Simon, the Ice King stated in the one episode that he was sorry to betty for causing her any troubles and that she may not even recognize him at that point when his skin had turned blue. Some compulsions did follow Simon when he tuned in to the Ice King. Gunter was one of them from when he finally turned, but before that, his love of princesses would come from his fiancee being his "Princess". He still loved her but that love turned in just a vague desire of wanting all princesses.
Ice King kept his compulsion for Betty as well, though. Out of every princess, PB is the one he sets his sites on the most. Something inside him targets her more than any other princess and it could be that subconsciously, he see her as Betty, or even their possible child. Though, his mind is so warped he doesn't realize this.
I bring that up because the pink goo in Simon and Marcy obviously helped them. If Betty was nice, or even just loved Simon, compulsions of her love for Simon are what helped. When the rest of the world was trying to hurt them, the goo helped. If it was Betty, whatever Simon had done to her while wearing the crown, she was over it or had forgotten about it. She still loved Simon which is why she helped him to the degree she did.
Now, perhaps Betty was just the goo and PB was created from that goo. She poured herself in to making PB but not without losing a little bit of herself. Betty 'died' before telling or forgot about how PB was created but parts of the process were there still. PB's love of science, also, could come possibly from the compulsions of Betty's love for the same subject.
If PB was created by Betty, it was only after she witnessed Simon helping Marcy out. She could have retained enough of her old self that she believed that Simon would be able to protect a future kid of theirs and thusmade PB believing that even in the end of times, she'd have a protector. Ld115 (talk) 00:02, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
If anyone hasn't seen the episode The Vault you should. It shows definitively that PB is way older than 19. She was around thousands of years ago, beginning to build the Candy Kingdom in Finn's flashback of his former life as Shoko. He even accuses her of it at the end, then laughs it off when she gets flustered.
As for why she wouldn't remember Simon, I think someone up there (can't remember the name) had a good point in how he looks and sounds completely different than Simon did. But I think that, probably, if PB really is Betty then she DOES recognize Simon, but either still has a hatred of the crown that's probably strengthened, seeing what it's done to him, or she wants the old Simon back and is just waiting for him to find his way back out of his mind and back in control. I'm dreaming of and dreading the day when he comes back into himself and PB reveals herself to be Betty and tells him she still loves him....
'PB uses candy matter to fill the radioactive river in "The Vault."
When the nuke fell humans were mutated by the radiation and turned into Goo People. My theory after reading this page is that the radiated humans are so chemically instable at time of mutation that they bond with nearby things. Such as bubblegum.
Bubblegum does state she has a great-uncle; BUT she does not deny her own existance (does not deny it was her that long ago) in the Regression Simulator at the creation of Candy Kingdom. Her ancestry does throw off the theory of her actually being Betty.' DrJammings (talk) 02:18, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Except that Bonni made her own boyfriend and her own son, who says she didn't make her own great uncle? 06:48, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
New evidence from the game
In adventure time: explore the dungeon because I don't know, pb's backstory was revealed at the end of the game. Princess Bubblegum said that the pink thing we saw in simon and marcy is her parents, and that she is 827 years old. That means she can't be Betty, because Betty came from before the great mushroom war, which was 1000 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Forever14 (talk • contribs)
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- Well, she says 'parents' but it's technically more like she split off from it. Like a part of it gained awareness. So if the original Bubblegum was in some way 'Betty' mutated there'd still be room for argument there -possibly (Granted a narrow possibilty). Also the question of how much we can or should take the game as being in continuity with the series, -I mean it would be odd if Jake and Finn literally wandered around dungeons that were exactly like that -jake never using his full powers for some reason, not having proper conversations, and repeating the exact same phrases over and over. As well swapping out for those other characters occasionally, and all the other game logic things that would be more than odd if occuring in an actual episode. I'm betting the up coming episode 'Betty' will answer some questions, and that in all likelihood PB isn't Betty though.Dean36 (talk) 00:33, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
My theory is similar to many people but I'm gonna summarize it. Betty left Simon after the crazy crown thing and got mutated into the gum like wad seen in Simon & Marcy. She helped Simon and Marceline throughout the episode as they say above. Also, if the game is based in the actual story line, then Betty might be PB's mother in a genetic base sort of way. This would explain a lot of the similarities between them including PB's smarts and looks. The Ice King might also recognize PB as Betty in the way she was based off of Betty's DNA or whatever. That's why he kidnaps her the most of all. And if you think about this way, if Simon and Betty did get married and this happened, that would make PB kind of the Ice King's daughter. This makes the Ice King trying to make PB marry him look very disturbing. It also proves PB might be more of Betty's daughter than Betty herself. User:Ninjawizard12 19:25, February 8, 2014
Princess Bubblgum is the evolution to an attempted clone by Simon/Crazed Ice King.
Here's the deal:
Princess bubblegum is actually the evolution to an attempted clone project by Simon while going through the process of insanity by his crown.
From the beginning...
In order to save his world from possible destruction Hunson Abadeer banishes the 'Ice Crown' into the land of ooo (then, an ancient earth) after an attemped destruction to the Nightosphere (remember the term, 'when hell freezes over'? This is it); breaking into pieces (seperating the gems to the crown).
When Simon states he bought it from a trader, partially true. He bought either the crown or the gems. The initial owner of the first part being... Betty Grof (she being the intial catalyst to all his ritual research). This aligns with the ice kings statement that he did not steal the crown but indeed created it with stolen magic (putting all the pieces together behind Betty's back and surprising her with it).
Recently shown in 'Betty', we see that she travels to the future to save Simon(which is why Simon states he never see's her again). Back then though, Simon/IK becomes obsessed with bringing Betty back by any means. Through a slew of failed attemps through his ritual research, he finally comes across a 'somewhat' solution which leads to the 'pink goo' (the ritual clone of Betty in Gum form, so that she also becomes immortal; as Gum is very durable). Also a reason why IK is so obsessed with PB, its subconcious to him.
This explains the 'pink goo' everywhere during the post-apoc era with Marcy; following and helping Simon+Marcy. PB says that she is 800+ years, which post dates her after the existance of the pink goo with Marcy. This pink goo evolves/clones itself into a solid form. We see a lot of key similarities between PB and Betty (researchers, intelligence, and form). Notice how PB is now indeed an expert at cloning as well (she cloned lemongrab... and possibly Finn. All her previous projects being creating food people (proof: she shows off a newly created peppermint butler). Something about Cinna-bun makes me think he was a really important hero, or a really infamous villan recreated in food form by PB because she also obessively missed him like Simon did her (that partially being her inspiration); the way he acts and the way PB treats him (she also mentions CB is her BF).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Filabuster (talk • contribs)
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Given the recent episode which explains what happened to Betty both in the past and present pluss everything inbetween, I think the "Betty is PB" theories are all pretty much dead at this point.Melting Sky (talk) 17:55, March 6, 2014 (UTC)