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Reasons for this topic Finn's relationships

Due to the length of the main character's relationship section I moved them to separate pages and sorted out the images. All the pages are still a work-in-progress, so do discuss things on the talk pages before making drastic changes.

Anyway, this is about the debate on the relationship section "Flame Princess". TheMostBoringManInTheWorld says it is too long, while PrinceoftheFireKingdom doesn't care and believes the detail should stay. I agree with both to an extent. The section needs to be sorted out because currently, it reads far more like an Episode summary than a relationship history and how these two characters are connected. Basically very fanfic structured.

And due note that you can't really pile on image after image with these pages, the default Oasis skin just isn't suited for it. If there is anymore than two or three for each section I will interfere by removing the extra images.


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Flame Princess (long version)

Copied and transferred to new page - Notice: The only content change I did was the four image removals.

Hottothetouch

Finn and Flame Princess.

Finn first meets Flame Princess at the end of the episode "Incendium." During the episode, Jake had been posing as Finn trying to court her because he believed that Finn, depressed after being rejected again by Princess Bubblegum, needed a new love interest. However, when Flame Princess's father tells Jake that she is evil, Jake tells her (disguised as Finn) that he doesn't like her, which causes her to become confused and angry and attack him, following him back to the tree fort where the real Finn is. She starts a fire in the house which burns the pictures in Finn's shrine to Princess Bubblegum, and he becomes enraged and runs to see who ruined his shrine. He is surprised to see it's Flame Princess. When she accidentally lights the liquid pyrotechnics left behind by Princess Bubblegum and douses her fire, he saves her and brings her into the house. When she regains consciousness, Flame Princess yells at him, "You! What's wrong with me huh?! You don´t like me?!" and Finn states, "I like you!" Flame Princess blushes. She then slaps Finn and warns him never to mess with her again, and flees the tree house. After she slaps him, he immediately wanted to know who she was. He then told Jake, "Dude, I think I have a crush." showing that he may be in love with her.

In the continuation episode, "Hot to the Touch," she officially becomes Finn's new love interest. He asks Jake to help him find her, saying that he "peeped beyond her burning gaze" and that "she ain't evil," and the two run out to look for her. They spied her by a pond and hid behind the bushes to watch her. Finn affectionately likened her to "the steam off a puppy's nose searching for ham in snow" and "a cute little flower." When she curiously dips her hand in the pool and jumps back in pain, Finn rushes to her aid, surprising her. Finn admits to Flame Princess that he really likes her and they should be together, which causes her to glow brighter and makes small fires appear around her. Finn was surprised with the fire getting near him, so he tried to put them out, not knowing that by putting out the flames he was hurting Flame Princess. Angry and confused, she ran again and the brothers chased after her, then she ambushed them. However, the attack does not last long, and Finn confuses Flame Princess by trying to compliment her while she is trying to kill them. He then tries to explain his feelings again which causes her to blush, but she resists. Upset that when Finn makes her glow brighter, he puts it, she warns him that he "should not toy the emotions of a fire elemental." Flame Princess says that fire's purpose is to burn and proclaimed that this land (Goblin Kingdom) will be her own Fire Kingdom. Finn tried to convince her not to do it.

She refused and cast a wall of fire to back down Finn and Jake. When they flew to Goblin Kingdom with fire-proof suits, Flame Princess attacked them with fireballs but they had no effect. She again shoots another fireball at Finn, but this was deflected and instead hit a cart. Jake extinguished the cart's flames, consequently hurting Flame Princess once more. Finn distresses that he doesn't want to hurt Flame Princess, but his morals say he must help the citizens of the Goblin Kingdom. Neptr, thinking he's helping, engages the foam blaster to extinguish her. However, Finn manages to stop Neptr from directly hitting Flame Princess and instead he hits Jake and a few of Flame Princess' flames, hurting again Flame Princess. Flame Princess then gets extremely angry and proclaims, "That is the last time you hurt me," and grows into her beast form, a towering human-shaped fire. A fiery tear from Flame Princess' right eye is revealed that she was harmed both physically and emotionally. Finn shouts, "No more! No more!" and literally rips himself out of his own suit and stands on top of it, shouting out to Flame Princess. However, he is ignored.

Finn, angry and upset that he can't "just like a girl," begins to cry. A tear of his falls on the flames of Flame Princess, stinging her and catching her attention. Flame Princess watches Finn cry, confused and amazed, then stops her flames and approaches him. She says that now she believes that Finn is a Water Elemental because he "creates water," or cries. Flame Princess says that no matter how much they like each other, they can't be together because they are of conflicting elements. Finn tries to explain that he isn't, but Flame Princess has trouble understanding the concept and says even if they liked each other, they would only hurt each other. Finn replies, "No, I can take it. I mean...we can try." Flame Princess glows, touched that he "would defy nature for" her. She hugs him, and although he smiles for the first few seconds, Finn begins to burn up and pushes her away. Flame Princess then bids him goodbye.

In "Burning Low," she and Finn are dating. She even thanks him for building her house and they hug each other. He decides to go to "tier two (smooching)" after another date, but only receives five hugs, which according to Jake, does not count as "tier two." Embarrassed, Jake then gives Finn the idea to write her a "sappy poem." Finn also gets angry at Princess Bubblegum for wanting him to stop seeing her. Then, when Jake is convinced what would happen if Finn kisses Flame Princess, he and Princess Bubblegum try to stop it, but arrive to see them already kissing. When Flame Princess falls into the earth's crust due to her instability, Finn goes in to save her, with Jake cutting off her oxygen supply. After using artificial respiration to revive her, they continue to date.

In "Ignition Point," Finn and Jake go to the Fire Kingdom to retrieve Flame Princess' scented candles. He referred Flame Princess as his lady. After hearing Flame King's words that she might be evil, Finn want to change her to good.

In "Reign of Gunters," Finn takes the advice of a dating book called Mind Games and tries to act more mysterious, claiming he needs to keep all the ladies in a state of confusion; that way, he has "options in case Flame Princess doesn't work out."

In "All the Little People," when Finn put the little Flame Princess and little Finn together, little Finn approached her, and they smiled at one another. They divided a cookie and began eating it together.

In "Vault of Bones, Finn knows Flame Princess is good by his heart, so he went to Vault of Bones with Flame Princess for prove to her she's good.
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Finn and Flame Princess' first kiss

In "Jake Suit," she is seen calmer and able to control her anger well, even though Jake, who is controlling Finn, embarrassed him in front of her less evil family by making him dance his Baby Finn song. When she figured out the bet, she should have shouted at him, instead she thinks it is pretty hardcore of Jake to do that, then she wishes Finn good luck.

In "Frost & Fire," she dislikes it when someone insults her relationship with Finn, shown when she battles Ice King because of the letter she thought sent by him. It is proved in this episode that she can lower her anger levels even more, which is seen when she did not rage at Finn for hurting her feelings when he admitted he wrote the forged letter. However, she was heartbroken at this fact.

Oppose Oppose — Episode synopsis in this section are redundant. A sentence or two for each "interaction" and a link to the relevant episode is sufficient. KADC "Be unreasonable." (talk) 02:20, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Flame Princess (short version)

Revision as of 01:53, March 16, 2013 by TheMostBoringManInTheWorld

Hottothetouch

Finn and Flame Princess.

Incendium

Finn meets Flame Princess in "Incendium."

Finn develops a crush on Flame Princess at the end of "Incendium" (who attacked the Tree Fort after Jake (disguised as "Prince Finn") dumped Flame Princess at the Fire Kingdom).

In "Hot to the Touch," Finn tries to convince Flame Princess that he really loves her, but she doesn't trust him because he hurt her a few times (put out her flames). At the end "Hot to the Touch," Flame Princess "realizes" Finn is Water Elemental and that's the only reason why he hurt her. At first, Flame Princess believes they shouldn't be together, because they will hurt each other, but Finn convinces her he can take it and they hug.

Some time between "Hot to the Touch" and "Burning Low," the two started dating. This was first illustrated in "Burning Low." In the episode, Finn tries to take his relationship to the next "tier" - tier 2 (kissing
S4e16 Finn and Flame Princess kiss

Finn's and Flame Princess's First Kiss.

). He succeds, but this ends in a disaster due to Flame Princess' unstable elemental matrix.

In "Ignition Point," Flame King tells Finn his daughter is evil. This upsets Finn, but he's relieved to know she can change her allingment if she hangs out with people like Finn.

In "Reign of Gunters," Finn takes advice from a dating book called Mind Games to act mysterious so that he could have a "spare" just in case his relationship with Flame Princess doesn't work out.

In "All the Little People," Little Flame Princess fight Little Princess Bubblegum for the love of Little Finn.

In "Vault of Bones," Flame Princess says she would never hurt her boyfriend.
S5 E12 FP with Demon Sword

Flame Princess saved Finn from a Giant Goo Skull.


Neutral Neutral — This version is better, but it needs to be rewritten to emphasize why each point is relevant to their relationship. KADC "Be unreasonable." (talk) 02:23, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Comment here

I don't want to be all mean and harsh, but their relationship should just have alittle more details about them instead of just simple details. Every relationship needs to have some developments here, you know be more specific about Finn and Flame Princess. If the relationship status is short like that, than some fans won't know what's really up between those two. It wouldn't be fair if Finn's relationship with other characters and Flame Princess's relationship with other character are being more specific and development while their relationship together are just being in simple details. Every relationship has to be more specific and development even it's long. So just keep it like that. Flame Princess - new costumePrinceoftheFireKingdomOriginal Finn 07:05, March 16, 2013 (UTC)


Here are several reasons why the sections should be shorter:

1. The sections are written in a different style than the other relationships sections for other characters on FP's page and other character's pages. They only have simple facts. The entire wiki should be written in just one and only style. Let's say we accept the style sections on Finn and FP's page. Who would like to rewrite all the other relationship sections on other pages?

2. The sections itself contradicts itself. The entire plot of "HttT" and "Burning Low" are shown in the sections, while there's just a piece of the plot of "Ignition Point" and "VoB".

3. There's no need to write the entire plot of the episodes. There is a separate page for each episode and a trnscript.

4. The concept of a relationship section isn't present in the shown sections. A relationship section is for a reltionship, and not the plot of an episode. 

I hope this will get some votes and end this feud. TheMostBoringManInTheWorld (talk) 11:36, March 16, 2013 (UTC)


@PrinceoftheFireKingdom

I can agree that characters who have a recurring Love Interest require more detail. However the current state of the section is 'overly detailed' as in narrating the actions of an episode. It is not summing up the relationship between the two characters and is instead telling a story with no structure besides continuously adding onto it.

@TheMostBoringManInTheWorld

I can agree that the style compared to other relationships section is different. And while it does need to be condense, it should be 'fleshed out'. Flame Princess is becoming a supporting character, she is was not established to be a background or cameo character, she is now interacting with the leads. So treating the section as if it were a background "Candy Person" is not the best way to go because it reduces the impact of the relationship.

-- Bunai82 (talk) 19:16, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I really don't see either option as acceptable. The long versions seems like someone basically copied and pasted part of episode articles onto the page. It is far too long and contains unnecessary details. The short version, on the other hand, it bare bones. While it does contain probably all the necessary information, it doesn't really that much to accurately describe their relationship. I believe a third option needs to be made that is shorter than the long version, but contains more details than the short version. - Alchemical (talk) 05:42, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

I can live with that.TheMostBoringManInTheWorld (talk) 12:45, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

OK guys, so I've been working on a longer version of my previous suggestion. So here it is:

@IamNEPTRJakeFinn78 (Neutral)

In the wiki page on Flame Princess, in the section on relationships, in the paragraph which mentions Finn, it says that Finn does not care for her anymore and possibly holds her in contempt. This conclusion is     based on his actions in "Breezy." However, I think he is in emotional shock and devastated, since his first real girlfriend dumped him, Billy is dead, he had an incredibly disappointing experience with his father       at the Citadel, and had his right arm ripped off, and Shelby cried for him but no one else in all of Ooo has shown him any compassion. Quadruple whammie. He is grieving but doesn't know how to let out his           pain, like many men. The page cannot be edited since it has been locked. I wish that these ideas would be added to that section in a neutral tone to present these ideas. 



Note: Bolded words represent links.

Flame Princess is Finn's current girfriend and love interest. /[Finn's page]

Finn is Flame Princess's current boyfriend and love interest. /[FP's page]

The first met during "Incendium," Flame Princess attacked the Tree Fort. At first, Flame Princess was very angry at Finn due to the fact that she believed Finn was the one who came to the Fire Kingdom and asked for her hand, even though it was actually Jake disguised as Finn. After a furious confrotation with Flame Princess, Finn admits to Jake he has a crush on Flame Princess.

Throughout "Hot to the Touch," Finn tries to convince Flame Princess he really loves her. However, Flame Princess doesn't trust Finn due to the fact he put out her flames during their incounter by a pond of water. During a furious confrotation at the Goblin Kingdom, Finn starts crying, sad that he can't really have a serious relationship with a girl. Flame Princess witnesses this, "realizing" that the reason Finn harmed her was because he was a Water Elemental, not that he wanted to harm her. She says to Finn they can't be together because they're opposite elements, but Finn convinces her he can take it and they hug.

Sometime between "Hot to the Touch" and "Burning Low", the two started dating. This was first illustrated in "Burning Low", where Finn builds Flame Princess a house near the former village of the Marauders. Throughout the episode, Finn tries to take his relationship with Flame Princess to the next tier (kissing). He succeds in this, but the event results in a disaster due to Flame Princess's unstable elemental matrix.

In "Ignition Point," Finn and Jake'' go to fire Kingdom to get Flame Princess's scented candles. There, Flame King tells Finn that Flame Princess is evil. This disturbs Finn, but he was reliefed to know she can change her alignment if she hangs out with people like Finn.

In "Reign of Gunters," Finn takes advice from a dating book called Mind Games from Jay. T. Dawgzone to act mysterious in front of ladies so that he could have a "spare", just in case if his realationship with Flame Princess doesn't work out.

In "All the Little People ," Little Finn shares a cookie with Little Flame Princess. Later, a fight breaks up between Little Flame Princess and Little Princess Bubblegum for the love of Little Finn.

In "Vault of Bones," Finn takes Flame Princess to a dungeon, to prove to her she isn't really evil like her father says she is. After she saves him from a Giant Goo Skull, Flame Princess states she would never harm her boyfriend.




Done my work here. --TheMostBoringManInTheWorld (talk) 06:08, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


Still waiting for more participates, but thanks. -- Bunai82 (talk) 02:30, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Okay,here's a theory:What if FP can regenerate and stabilize herself?76.221.100.131 01:35, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

And how is this connected to the discussion? --180px-Chrell btts Being boring is boring. 250px-2423266537 bb6495420e o 02:41, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
I say we move all interactions to pages titled "Finn and Jake" or "Finn and Flame Princess". It is more efficient. Thespontaneoustruth (talk) 01:58, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
Hm. That's a pretty good idea. It'll solve our problem, but it'll create many more. There will have to a lot of editing done. TheMostBoringManInTheWorld (talk) 02:20, September 9, 2013}}

FPFTH4EVR (talk) 02:43, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

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