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So, after Finn and Jake find out that the Ice King is really a victim of a horrible crown, nuclear war and dead fiance, they do nothing? They just continue to beat the poor, lost soul to a bloody pulp? Simon, still looking for his princess, is pennalized because of this? Do not respond with 'ZOMG WHY ARE YOU HATING ON FINN!1 THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING' think. Just think. Simon Petrikov, engaged to a quite attractive young lady, life's going good. Then everything goes wrong, and an insane, jerky, whiney child and his fat lazy dog cannot help this poor soul?

Yello. Talk to me on my talk page. (talk) 03:06, February 2, 2013 (UTC)Simon

I agree.But on a lighter side they are to naive and dumd to realize what the tape means.Bettypetrikov (talk) 03:20, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Really? It's easy to understand that someone's trapped.

Yello. Talk to me on my talk page. (talk) 03:23, February 2, 2013 (UTC)The Jokester


I feel the same way, bro. But at least Finn showed that he cares a bit about the Ice King in "Mystery Dungeon". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.29.250.88 (talkcontribs)

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Blank stares at blank pages, no easy way to say this. 07:24, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the guys do want to help (mainly Finn) but don't know what to do. I mean, I guess when Finn thinks about Ice King too much, he feels all sad inside and doesn't want to feel all soul searchy and stuff. Plus, he probably repressed the idea of Ice King once being a human so he wouldn't feel that sad anymore. I'm sure the guys will start trying to help the guy out when the guys at AT start running out of ideas or the series about to end. Besides, if they try to help now, the show will get boring and people will stop watching since the main villian is gone forever now. Hey, while we're on the topic, maybe talk about where the crown came from and how evil it is and what will happen if someone destroys the crown.97.117.214.37 21:32, February 3, 2013 (UTC)


Finn and Jake realize what the Ice King once was. However, that does not make up for what he has done and is currently doing. Finn and Jake are heros and must act when the Ice King does something nefarious. That is their job. If you notice, though, they are less harsh when fighting the Ice King after "Holly Jolly Secrets".

Also, Finn and Jake have no idea how they would go about fixing the Ice King. If they knew, I am sure they would have tried. Still, how do you go about fixing 1,000 years of mental manipulation by magic? - Alchemical (talk) 23:09, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Finn and Jake are spoiled, like popular kids at a school. The Ice King runs around, searching for the one last hope he has, feeling misery and loneliness. Finn is over rated, fans seeing him as the cute boy that must be shipped, leaving Simon fighting a battle inside the crown, against a powerful spirit. And the 'heroes' do nothing to try and help the victim. Heroes are supposed to defend the weak, therefore this bully does not deserve the title of hero.

What's Finn and Jake supposed to do when Ice King kidnaps another princess? Let her suffer? Hey, its about Finn and Jake, not Ice King. Simon is already dead inside. Theres no chance of him ever coming back until the end of the series. So if you want the guy back, wait until the shows over? Or read stupid fanfiction on the internet. Just to make it clear to you guys, Simon=Dead and Gone forever. Got it? Probably not. Hey, at least your not as bad as the finn shippers.97.117.214.37 01:55, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Well Mr. Annonymous, I understand that the show would end and all, but I just see a bit of pleasure in the eyes of that hero and his dog, as they beat him a bit harder than he deserves...

Yello. Talk to me on my talk page. (talk) 00:24, February 6, 2013 (UTC)The Jokester

To further my argument, look at this: they sent Baby Snaps to a mental hospital just because he couldn't accept the fact that he couldn't be what he wanted to be. He pulls strings to get ladies, as well.


Yello. Talk to me on my talk page. (talk) 02:36, February 10, 2013 (UTC)The Jokester

Pulls strings to get ladies? What the heck are you talking about? It's pretty obvious all the Princesses like Finn and count on him to protect them from the Ice King. The idea that they're villains because they aren't actively trying to find a way to help Simon doesn't mean they don't care. As has been said, what are they even supposed to do? Pity the daft kook and give him some princesses? That'd be really villainous because it punishes the ladies who don't like Ice King.

Throughout the show, there's plenty of evidence that people in the Land of Ooo don't hate the Ice King, most of them simply don't like him. There's a difference, you know. typically, people just regard him as a nuisance and are content to leave him be so long as he isn't getting into trouble. Isn't that kindness enough? I mean, geeze, Finn & Jake are plenty nice to the guy as it is. Merely grounding him or stopping his plans instead of locking him up forever or outright killing him isn't an act of kindness or pity?

As for Baby Snaps.. you do realize that people in mental hospitals are treated nicely, right? Would you rather the cookie left at large to potentially snap and have a repeat of the hostage situation? The guy was obsessed with being a princess, he got a crown in the end. Tell me that's not kindness, that he got to be a princess to the others at the hospital.--68.6.182.39 22:49, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Look alot of times I like to think that somehow Simon will remember but it simply won't happen unless it is a series/season finale (most likley the 1st one).Now as for Finn and Jake: They have no idea how to help him. Nobody in the world does. PB couldn't even if she tried not Marcy, Finn , Jake or anyone. Maybe they could have some episode where they play matchmaker for IK. (it would certainly help the princesses.) Bettypetrikov (talk) 20:15, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

yo pepole think about it. it would be very mean to simon IF they could help.1. the crown is what has kept him alive all these years. 99% chance he would die. 2. on the off chance it did not kill him he would wake up to a completely diffrent world. marice a vampire, betty most likley dead, its not like he could pick up where he left of. #. there is no place in ooo for an averege joe. he will be an out sider were ever he gose.  at least now he is some what happy, with other wizards, his "friends" finn and jake, and all these princeses, he should be left alone.  


p.s. lay off on baby snaps. if your family was heled hosage by a mad man how would you feel to have him out on the streets.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Marice21 (talkcontribs)

Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~).Heeeeeeeeeeeere's JOHNNY !!! 20:42, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
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